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Why Indians and Pakistanis are poor
OneHumanity Please , London: May 6 2009
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Why Indians and Pakistanis are poor

Indian sub - continent has been my favorite from some time. Because, it has two third - world democracies and two third - world nuclear power as well. Especially since I have met some good Indians, my interest in Indian sub - continent grew.

Hey, Indians what do you eat? I am surprised at the intelligence they have. They seriously deserve all that stuff in IT and outsourcing that they have earned. Great at computers, great at medicine, great at engineering, you name it! The god of Intelligence (I can’t recall the name of this Hindu God though) is very happy on them it seems.

On the contrary, I have met Pakistanis as well. Luckily, among those I know, not all are fundamentalists. Indians and Pakistanis gel well. Many Pakistanis are hate - filled towards India, but there hate is never limited to Hindus and Indians, it transports to Westerners as well. So, I am lucky to meet many friendly liberal Pakistanis as well. Pakistanis and Indians are different people only from the last 60 years.

There is virtually no difference between them, except for what rift has been created now. I must agree that Pakistanis are one of the most hard - working people of the world. They toil a lot to send their near and dear ones goodies back at home. Many of them whole - heartedly agree over the hatred that is taught to Pakistanis against all non - Muslims (kafirs) and how their syllabus has been designed for an anti - Indian and anti - Hindu stance.

I must not forget to mention that my Pakistani friends call all this a mere “bullshit’ and find this “out rightly wrong”. they are of the strong opinion that they should teach children science and also the rich heritage of Sufism and Hinduism that Pakistan has. After all, the present - day Pakistanis were mostly all Hindus once. So, why should they have hatred towards their own ancestral religion and their own brothers?

Well, this is a wonderful article of a Pakistan based Economist named Farookh Saleem. I suggest you all Google for him and read more of his views.

This is that article:

Why are we poor?
Dr Farrukh Saleem*

India plus Pakistan is 20 percent of humanity. India plus Pakistan is a mere 5 percent of world income. India plus Pakistan have 45 percent of world’s illiterates.

India plus Pakistan have 50 percent of all malnourished children. India just by itself has the world’s largest number of poor people in a single country.

In absolute terms, at least 50 million Pakistanis and 350 million Indians live in extreme poverty (must earn during the day to eat dinner).

Some 60 years ago, Mahatma Gandhi, the Bapu of all Indians, had said, “Poverty is but the worst form of violence.” Look at present day Bombay. The city has ten million people and is the financial capital of India. Four million of the ten million live in rough-and-tumble fabrications of bamboo, plastic, wood and tin. At least a million live and sleep on footpaths. For the rest of India, poverty remains a Himalayan problem. Which one of the 14 prime ministers has done anything to save Indians from the worst form of violence?

On 9 August 1947,Quaid-i-Azam, the father of our country,delivered a speech at the Karachi Club. The Quaid asserted that it is the “scared duty of the Sovereign State of Pakistan to solve the problem of poverty of the people.” Which one of our 11 presidents or 19 prime ministers has paid any attention to the Quaid’s pledge?

Look at present-day Rojhan Jamali, the birthplace of our Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali. Out of all of PM’s constituents the lifetime goal of at least 90% is to own a Rs2,000 goat.

What really is poverty? According to the World Bank, “Poverty is hunger. Poverty is lack of shelter. Poverty is being sick and not being able to see a doctor. Poverty is not being able to go to
school and not knowing how to read. Poverty is not having a job,is fear for the future, living one day at a time. Poverty is losing a child to illness brought about by unclean water. Poverty is powerlessness, lack of representation and freedom.” Both India and Pakistan have all these forms of poverty. Why are we so poor?

Over the last 5 years, India has spent $4.2 billion and Pakistan $2.6 billion on the importation of major conventional weapons. For India that converts to $4 on a per capita basis and $19 for every
Pakistani man, woman and child. India and Pakistan remained the poorest of all countries but India is now the 5th largest importer of major conventional weapons while Pakistan is the 12th largest.
Pakistan is poor because we have enriched China Metallurgical Equipment Corporation, Lockheed Martin (a billion dollars for F-16s, P-3 Orion, etc) and Raytheon (Stingers, sidewinders and TOW missiles).

Over the past 5 years, we have deposited $1.024 billion into Chinese coffers, $650 million has gone to Ukraine, $400 million to France and $250 million each to the UK and the US.

India is poor because she has been enriching Rosoboronexport, Russia’s arms exporting corporation. Most of India’s defense kitty has gone to Russia, $3 billion over the past 5 years alone. The Netherlands took in $350 million and Germany another $210 million.

We shall continue to be poor. Under the long-term Indo-Russian military technical cooperation programme there are some 350 new defense deals in the pipeline including the production of Lada class diesel submarines, Gorshkov aircraft carrier, TU-22M long-range bombers, Akula-II class nuclear submarines and AWACS.

Total tab: $4 billion. Then there is the BAE Systems Hawk jet deal with the UK. These 60 Hawks have a price tag of a billion pound sterling which is the equivalent of nearly ten years of India-UK bilateral trade. India’s neighbour has billion dollar Agostas so India must also buy Scorpene ‘killer submarines’.France wins both in India and in Pakistan.

More recently, Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) signed a two billion dollar weapons contract with Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL). The contract covers $280 million for surface-to-surface naval
Barak missiles, $300 million for pilot-less planes, $250 million for Green Pine radar systems, Phalcon early-warning aircraft and towed howitzer for the Indian army.

The US, in the meanwhile, has established a tourist-cum-investor ‘no fly zone’ over Pakistan while our armament wish list remains heavier than our GDP. Short range ballistic missiles, intermediate range ballistic missiles, F-16 fighters, surveillance aircraft, Harpoon missiles, long range weapon-locating radars, rocket fuel, anti-tank missiles and combat helicopters. Additional Main Battle Tanks (MBT) are going to cost $1.5 billion. The PAF wants a multi-billion dollar package covering Mirage 2000-5s and then there’s F7-P4 aircraft from China and gunship helicopters. Spare parts from the US are also high on our wish list.

Just who is profiting from the sale of all these machines of death and destruction? The top ten exporters of conventional weapons are USA, Russia, France, UK, Germany, Netherlands, Ukraine, Italy, China and Belarus. The top corporate merchants of death are Lockheed Martin (USA), Boeing (USA), BAE Systems (UK), Raytheon (USA), Northrop Grumman (USA), General Dynamics (USA) and Thomson-CSF (France).

When the poverty-ridden East fills West’s craving for drugs there is talk of ’supply control’. Th West remains the chief pretender of virtue but is the largest seller of arms to the East. The US, for instance, accounts for a full 50% of the world trade in arms.

Conflict and poverty are the closest of relatives. Look at Ethiopia,Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Somalia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Haiti, Mozambique, Mali, India or Angola.

They are all in conflict-either within or with their neighbours and they are all poor. Peace is an essential prerequisite to prosperity. Without peace there can’t be any poverty alleviation.

India’s economy is 800% the size of ours. On a per capita basis, we have a record of spending 500% more on arms imports than does India. Which country is likely to run out of resources first? Just who is most likely to win without firing a shot? There certainly are no prizes for getting these riddles right.

Why Indians and Pakistanis are poor

* originally posted at Jang Group Online Editions

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Glenn
Ottawa, Canada
The foolish Indian and Pakistani governments! They spent huge amount on their defense services. It will be better if they spent this amount on education, health and other important sectors. So many problems will be sorted out automatically.
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Glenn, in the Eastern world, there is a tribalist tendency. what’s the motto of a tribalist? Me vs my brother, my and my brother vs my cousin! Fighting has a much higher preference to them than their own good. That’s why both countries are in problem.
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Brij Lal Gupta
Bulandshahr, India
Because Inteligent Politicians, they spent only for politicians not for country, and foolish public they elected every time that type of politicians.
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Brij Lal Gupta, That’s a common problem in the third world democracies. That’s why, intelligentsia of both countries leave the nation to serve elsewhere, though the tide in India is quite changing.
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Arefa
Kottayam, India
Poverty is the serious issue and till the time it is not dealt with, people continue to suffer and the country's progress is hampered
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Arifa, The enemy of both the nations is poverty, illiteracy, hunger and malnutrition. The $4 billion of Pakistan Defense budget and the $30 billion of Indian Defense budget would have got directed towards welfare schemes had there been no hostility between the nations. Even after corruption from both sides, some part of such a big amount would have done a lot many good things for the poor and needy of the nations.
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Lalit
Kanpur, India
India is economically strong enough to take care of its population but the main issue is that this money is not spent in a proper channel and hence could not benefit the needy
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Lalit, yes. in fact, the great economic boom of the last decade has completely changed India’s economy and political stance in the world, apart from lifting out millions out of poverty and many into the middle classes.

If you consider economy on the basis of Purchasing Power Parity (PPP), which is seen as a better indicator of income, India stands the 4th strong economy of the world! USA is 1st, China is now 2nd, Japan is 3rd and India is 4th. But the irony is there are many a billionaires in India, but the number of poor is still the highest.
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Lalit
Kanpur, India
The money that india has, should be spent on the various projects out of which millions of people can get employment and poor gets a hope for a better life.
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Lalit, you think your politicians are going to let that happen?
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Kahirey
Islamabad, Pakistan
Illiteracy is our big time enemy. People who are not educated are observed to have narrow mindset. We have to come over it now. High time!
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Kahirey, you identified your real enemy! I don’t know who said this, but the thought was great. ’Know your enemy before going to war’. If India and Pakistan ever sign a free - trade treaty, (which I think is partly possible if Zardari and Manmohan stay in power), I can ensure you that will be good for both the countries, but better for Pakistan considering the massive investment of business which is likely to come from India.
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Nuya Bidness
Birmingham, United States
People vote for charismatic leaders, they don’t vote for intelligent leaders. That being said, I am not even sure voting matters that much with all the loopholes and irregularities.

Ideology is a hard thing to overcome, it takes less time and effort to just blast people who don’t share your ideology than it does to educate them. Sad state of affairs when the money spent on warfare would have been enough to feed every person on the planet.
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Nuya, for identifying intelligent leaders, people themselves need to be educated. What do you expect in these belts where world’s highest number of illiterates stay? A country which becomes a banana republic is also due to it’s citizens. When people are uneducated, what you find in third world countries, outcome is also not good.

And for spending money on feeding people rather than on warfare, we need some peaceful people and countries in the world. As long as violence - loving creatures exist on the earth, you will find problems like this.

thanks for the comment! And do visit again.. :-)
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Sumit
Agra, India
Whatever future you want for your country, mold the children in that manner. If country needs progress, children should get quality education where basic moral values should be taught to them. If this goes on consistently for 20 years, India will stand tallest
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Sumit, yes that’s kind of Newton’s 3rd Law. If only basic moral values are taught, I don’t think there can be any economic growth. As such Taliban and Saudi Arabia regime also believe in teaching moral values, only that their moral values are different.
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Nuya Bidness
Birmingham, United States
Maybe that should be logical values then the other behaviors fall in line with what is healthy and productive. Forget morals, those are subjective and very often counterproductive.

For instance, a huge reason that families can not escape poverty, generation after generation is because they have too many children. These same people who will not use birth control for religious reasons will sell their children into prostitution or abandon them on the streets. If they were educated with logical values, they would not have more children than they could support in the first place. That would go a long way to stop the cycle of poverty.
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Nuya Bidness, yes the emphasis should be on logical values. It is the stress on logical values that we are able to talk despite being in different parts of the world, the credit to all innovation and technology goes to logic. We should follow what Aristotle, Plato and Socrates told religiously!

And thumbs up for your second para! you got it right. Well, excess population leads to that or you find many for suicide bombing purposes. In my recent visit to India, I was told that street fighters and criminals are quite high in slums (which happen to have literally no birth control) because many a children at a home, and they don’t get any job. We had to take longer routes only for by - passing slums.
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Nuya Bidness
Birmingham, United States
I have seen it first hand here in America too, all of my relatives come from the three poorest states in the country. Our family had only two children and managed to escape the slums, all the rest had lots of kids and they are still there as well as their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. (Yes, they have children very early too)They live on welfare, food stamps, are in gangs, take drugs and are in and out of jail all the time, there is not a stable marriage to be found among them.

I managed to teach myself to read when all of my family is illiterate, I still am not sure how that happened.

I put myself through college, even though no one in my extended family ever finished high school.

My two children are in college now, so the line of poverty stopped with me in just one generation. I cannot imagine that my situation is so unique, I am pretty sure it works the same way everywhere. The number of children has to be the turning point.

Maybe we should all put our heads together and figure out a way to convince people to have less children instead of struggling to feed ever more.

China has improved the poverty situation with the 1 child policy, but I think that is a bit extreme. I think Japan has something similar but it is more voluntary than the policy in China. Whatever happens, it will not be easy.
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Nuya, yes the irony of the world is that the people who can afford having 100 babies have very little, and those who can afford very less are having many. That’s why there are always more people poor in the world. The poorest countries of the world are most populated and all developed nations can be seen with controlled population!

I’ll come up with a post on that soon.
(Global Perspectives)
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”Conflict and poverty are the closest of relatives. ” a very simple, very correct argument...

and man, those are HIGH illiteracy numbers, didn’t know that!!!
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wa’d, exactly. And conflicts only ensure that poverty remains around for sometime. And illiteracy figures are true! India’s literacy stands at 65% and Pakistan’s at 50%!

:=) keep visiting...
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Vijay
Kota, India
Because they have divided their mother land and yes you are rightly said they have forget their ancestral culture and heritage and the religion of their forefathers.
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Vijay, right. Pakistan has totally lost it’s ancestral heritage, and India has also been not so good in treatment of it’s minorities at times. Though, minorities in India are much better than in Pakistan.
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Why Indians and Pakistanis are poor is the result of years of oppression and rule by the British that left more counties poor and worst off before their invasions
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