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What Is A Cult?
OneHumanity Please , London: May 25 2009
Made Popular May 26 2009

What Is A Cult?

Being an anti - religionist person, I find it very important to crucially analyze and examine each and every religion for the sake whether they come from God or not, whether they teach good values or not. What is belief to one person is stupidity to another.

In the 20th Century, we have got to witness many a cults like people’s Temple, Heaven’s Gate, Supreme Truth in Japanese (I can’t recall the Japanese name though), Branch Davidian, a John De Ruiters who is living in Canada alive now, Shri Satya Sai baba of south India, etc. Many of them took the lives of people. Especially, the one of Jim Jones took 900 lives in Nicaragua.

This is in 20th century. Many psychologists and philosophers have critically examined the mindset of the cult leader and cult followers as well. All this was possible to happen only when the world has come closer now, and people have opted for rational thinking to a large extent.

Our established religions were followed a long ago. It is time we critically examine them too. Now, what is a cult? After much research, this seems to be the most widely accepted definition finalized and found in the World Book of Encyclopedia is this one. It can be found here.

The following is a description of what cult is:
1. A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as “obvious” truth by the cult members.

2. The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques.

3. Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers.

4. Venerate a human leader or leaders.

5. Recruiting work is performed by all of the members.

6. People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.

7. Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.

8. Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.

9. Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.

10. The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as “the Truth.”

11. Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.

12. Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.

13. Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.

14. Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.

15. People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.

16. Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.

17. The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
All human consciousness is a cult because since the time of birth there is always someone trying to move you in the stronger influence’s direction
A person born in China or any country are the cult of that country
A person who is brought up to like certain sounds will follow thoes sounds as the most appealing
A father or mother brings up the child in their cult of sports or religon or anything of the cult they were brainwashed into
The green earth people are in a cult because they listen to no science but the stronger that locks their minds
Vegetarians are cult because they hear only what they heard from the stronger other
Human birth is not the place to be if you don’t want to be part of a cult
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wayne, please go through those 17 points. I hope you know those cults given there or if you want you are free to go to the cult leader in your country, who is the most famous cult leader right now in the world, John De Ruiters.

”Human birth is not the place to be if you don’t want to be part of a cult ” I fear you have a thinking very much in sync with the cult followers.

Regarding ’vegetarians’ point, put the word, ’non - vegetarians’ and read it.

On climate crisis, I need not say anything.
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Onehumanity
I of all people on earth follow nothing or any others bull stories
I try hard not to talk logic to emotion because as i see in your reply your emotion rules your life
I did and do a lot of research on any number of things people get brainwashed into
I want to be gentle with people like you because your heart is in the right place, but your brains are in the hands of others
Your following most of want you wrote about with many parts of your thoughts- and don’t even realize it
There are two sides to most stories and when people denie it they have their minds controled by a cult
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wayne,
”I try hard not to talk logic to emotion because as i see in your reply your emotion rules your life ”
I have already pointed out multiple logical fallacies in your writing earlier. Please go through the earlier comment where I pointed out your logical fallacies with name and examples: http://priyankakhanghta.instablogs.com/entry/go-veggie-to-save-our-planet/#comment-612784

Still, you are free to believe you talk with logic. As you claim you do a lot of research, please look for ’cult’ as well.

If human consciousness is a cult, try putting your hand in fire. Whether your consciousness is real or imaginary will be there for your awareness in nanoseconds.

The last line you wrote is absolutely correct.

I am not going to indulge in personal attacks. I have much better issues to search, research and I have my own brain that comes with original thoughts often. Please let words keep rolling out of you as that will let our visitors know you better.
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Onehumanity
Tell me if you want me to add many research articles countering your articles
Just like you wouldn’t read what may change your mind ,i on the other hand read both sides and came up with my own conclusions
You want everyone to be vegetarian and give your biased reason not wavering in your belief
I believe diet is balance of meat, fish, and vegetables and is how our chemistry evolved -not a cult thought involved
Onehumanity you are like most humans where the mind forming at birth leaves people not realizeing it happened
Did you choose your dna ,mother, father, place on earth ,or your mental or chemical makeup ,the answer is no ,so your thought process is never the person you think you are after coming to earth
I unlike you could care less about what people with formed minds think about what i say, because i know there is only about 5% of humans who could hear what logic is saying
I know your forced to go through earth as your dna decides and i hope it is a pleasant trip
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wayne, anyone can come up with research articles by Googling. I have successfully refuted your claim that human consciousness is not a cult in itself. No replies there.

You come to conclusions too early regarding people and at least in my case you have turned out to be hopelessly pathetic. I read aplenty of stuff that counter my opinion on something. I am not going to waste time elaborating.

I don’t want everyone to be a vegetarian. I support vegetarianism, but i do not want everyone to do so. My friends and I go for dinner together many a times and it is no problem for me they eating meat. I only put my points across the table if ever the discussion comes up. If expressing my viewpoints on vegetarianism across the table or on a public forum means I want everyone to be a vegetarian, then you are once again (Oh, and how many times!) indulging in a logical fallacy called as straw man (which I am sure you are unaware of).

”there is only about 5% of humans who could hear what logic is saying”. Sadly, there are those who claim to be logical, but end up using some absolutely common logical fallacies!! Hope such people realize their own fallacies.

Well, our chemistry evolved when human tried ways to convert every metal into gold. Correct if I am wrong.

Diet is a balance of meat, fish and vegetables? Is fish available everywhere? You live at some coastal place and that is why this gross generalization is found in your thoughts. Well, no cult thought involved, you considered people living away from waters and in deserts as well.. Kudos for ’no cult thought’ comment!

As for my background, even if I am in UK, I am greatly interested in knowing about various places and people who come from absolutely different backgrounds, (environments).

As for logic, well do write in some words as you are demonstrating logical fallacies one after another live!!

Oh, and yeah, regarding you finding me ’emotional’, now I can’t understand why should someone ’Logical’ come upon conclusions based on 2/3 comments given by person. As such, all those know me well think I am least emotional. Now, difference in opinion would always exist.

We should agree to disagree it seems!!
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Onehumanity

Yin and yang, up and down, in and out, act: react, E equals MC squared, man: woman, and birth: death are all relative if a person believes that they are but if a person does not believe that they are, well, that too is relative to the person doing the thinking.


I think, a proper understanding of our own lives is possible only when we have a proper understanding of reality, and a proper understanding of reality is possible only when we have a proper understanding of the original cause* and meaning* of reality

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so
”What is real? How do you define real? If you’re talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.” -The real to one is never real unless formed yourself like your own entity and not a mix of two or more -then to cast your own future and actions and reactions-hum -that would produce more gods

Sorry if what logic says eludes you ,but then again your part of the 95% emotional destroying the world
If your going to take up a cause take the one against alcohol because there are 95% of boozers in the world and of no coincidence same number as emotional humans,now if you ever passed booze past your lips which i am sure you did than you should rethink your so called independent thoughts
You truly are part of a cult
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wayne, on any of the forums if you ever did show any thought to others point of view, I would have surely agreed that you are a person with a thinking - head and not who insists only ’his right is the only right’.

I am surprised to see you still find yourself with the 5% of the humanity, even after showing you clearly your own logical fallacies. Logic in vain!!

If 95% are emotional in humanity destroying the world, why isn’t the world not destroyed yet? (this is not an emotional question I think)

”If your going to take up a cause take the one against alcohol because there are 95% of boozers in the world..”
I don’t have any problem with 95% people of the world. Just because there are 95% boozers, I am not going to take a cause against them. As usual, your vain logic is thinking this and I have got well acquainted with that.

I did not see you discussing with anyone or getting to anyone’s point of view. ”Me” vs ”the other person” matters more for you than ”my thought” or ”the other person’s thought”.

Anyways, I am not going to argue with you on that. You are right and I am wrong! :D
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David
Kansas City, United States
We have a branch of the Rael "church" here in Montreal. The head-crazy-guy drives around in a purple Cadillac with a big UFO stuck to the top.
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
David, that’s funny!
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Caesar, are you talking of Scientology of Ron Hubbard? I think he is also behind some TipsForSuccess project. And yeah, Jonestown has taught the world a lot.
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Nuya Bidness
Birmingham, United States
yep, science fiction is cool, but you have to be nuts to make a religion out of it. I guess next there will be the religion of World of Warcraft, and it won’t surprise me one bit!

magic underwear, magic wheat, magic washrags, I have seen the most ridiculous things come out of religion.



There is the religious satire site about the flying spaghetti monster, I predict that in a few years there will be people swearing that it is the one and only true gospel.

It is truly frightening to realize that we share the planet with so many completely gullible people.
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Robyn
Calgary, Canada
Aum!!! I read about that crazy cult a while ago... great article... but there are surely more cults to be included??
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Robyn, many more... Too lazy to Google for the stuff now!! :)
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
ONEHUMANITY
Unless you read my 1000 replies and comment and my 3 hundred articles ,than you didn’t do your research properly
To know my feelings you are going to have to read them all
Boozers caused more death harm sorrow and abuse than all war on earth and by your response on not taking up that cause i know you drink and condone booze and is a good reason why our in the 95% of the selfish humans
Did you know more people die before ever reaching consciousness of earth and universe and millions more are born with handicaps which prevents them from being part of the forming of this dizzy world
Like i said the minute your born someone is trying to have you think like them and that is cult
Your cult mind is in the 95% and that is where most of your kind are the happiest
I am looking for someone that is in the 5% to have a logical conversation with and the way the world is they will be hard to find
No hard feeling and put your are around your friend and drink to this comment while others suffer from you drinkers

NO CHOISES –But there are no right or wrong choices.
There are no choices whatsoever.
Nothing but a straight line.
The illusion only comes afterwards,
when you ask ”Why me?” and ”What if?”.
When you look back, you see the branches.
But it’s only an illusion.
If you had done something differently, it wouldn’t be you,
it would be someone else looking back, asking a different set of questions

I am not trying to change a formed mind and is one of the strong points of the 5% but i write just encase someone else can hear
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wayne, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Please read it out. You are actually proving all my earlier words so correct.

As such, it is too rare an occasion for me to drink. Something like 3/4 times a year, thanks to my Eastern roots.. That does not me a drinker.

You had consciousness when you did not have consciousness. You got a life, when you did not even come to life. I have no arguments against that. As I said earlier, you are right and I am wrong.

The minute one is born, someone is making one think like them.. very good point. Well, please put your hand in fire and testify things for yourselves whether consciousness is a cult or something real whose awareness we need.

I am looking for someone who at least does not indulge in some of the most common logical fallacies. Ironically, I am meeting people who talk at length on logic and themselves indulge in one of the most common logical fallacies. Vain logic, isn’t it?

Anyways, you are right and I am wrong! :D
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Onehumanity
Alcohol is an acquired taste
You have to go through pain to get the taste for the booze
I never did -why ,because i am 1 0f the 5% logical
Any thought is the right thought because it is the one that took hold
When a person is loosing an argument the 95% become sarcastic and thats ok because truth is too far away
Fewer conscious will experience this limited consciousness we are experiencing and what we know is very little because the majority that didn’t live long enough to know life as we do– is where truth lies
BE WELL IN YOUR WORLD OF 95%
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wayne,
”You have to go through pain to get the taste for the booze ”. Nice joke, keep it in your small little pusillanimous mind which tells you that many people die before gaining consciousness on earth. yes, you were conscious when you were unconscious. Human consciousness is a cult and reality is fiction, putting hand in fire, or jumping in front of a train still makes you think that human consciousness is a cult!!

”I never did -why ,because i am 1 0f the 5% logical” even if you had been through, or ever go through, you are not going to accept as you already are no less than a cult follower who believes his right is the only right. Many of them change after their faults are shown, but in your case the time has past and there seems no chance of recovery.

”Any thought is the right thought because it is the one that took hold” Then what 95% believe is the right thought if we are to think by your vain logic. The 95% is leading us to the destruction of the world as per your comment somewhere above. Why no destruction took place till now? And how many contradictions there!!

”When a person is loosing an argument the 95% become sarcastic and that’s OK because truth is too far away”
I wondered why are you being so sarcastic!

”Fewer conscious will experience this limited consciousness we are experiencing and what we know is very little because the majority that didn’t live long enough to know life as we do– is where truth lies”
Well, read the no. 10. It says:
10. The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as “the Truth.”
Yes, truth lies with you, not with others. You 5% know the truth!!

People who leave reality are called as psychotics.

BE WELL IN YOUR VAIN LOGIC AND CULT!
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hmmm, this sounds like a couple of movies which I’ve seen a long time ago...Kinda scary...

anyway, OHP and Wayne, you two seem to be having an interesting conversation.. too bad I need to study now... will be back to read it thoroughly soon:)

Have a nice day, both of u :)
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wa’d, thanks for the visit.. Read soon.
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Wa’d
I hope you don’t take anything to heart with what i am writing
I see the world differently than most and it is the worst way to go through our limited consciousness
Be well –and i am not trying to make enemies but find a common thinker
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Onehumanity
Truth is seldom appreciated but is always right
What is normalcy? Isn’t what is normal for one person abnormal for another person? I think that what is normal where you live is only what is acceptable to the people that live where you live, so, if you want to know what is “normal” for them and possibly you just look at your neighbors and your family and look at your background and, then, take a good look at who you are and, then, think hard about who it is you want to be some day. I think that most people will find this seemingly simple thinking process not to be as simple as they would first think because of the peer pressures that their own background and their own surroundings and their own brainwashed idealism’s will actually press down severely on their thoughts. Others simply will not want or care to be anything other than what they are now and for them the world’s problems and their own problems will be simply worked out. For them all will go well and be good even if all the world around them is falling seemingly to pieces and nothing is really changing for the better at all.

Alcohol is a taste you have to condition your taste buds to
The earth because of the 95% emotional are constantly churring up life by killing and wars and the cycle will not end until there is only one person left on earth—she will be logic
Yes borders flags and the emotion within them will kill all who try to change them and that will destroy the earth
Now i suggest you think about what i said –sorry i forgot your thoughts are the stronger others
Have a drink and watch the children and woman of the world surfer
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wayne, I am in perfect agreement in most of the thoughts expressed in the above comments. What you are actually talking is moral and cultural relativism.

But hand burns when put in fire, and that is something no one would find ’normal’.
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Nuya Bidness
Birmingham, United States
Good job One,

From that list, how many points would you say have to apply before a group qualifies for cult status?

I would add that it would have an occult, supernatural or mystic element to qualify. Otherwise, things that are merely fads might fall into the cult category.
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Vijay
Kota, India
The founders of all these Religions never thought of about the ”danger” these would create for the humanity.
Pl go through this article of mine on
”MY MUSING” thats ’Meri Bhawana’ in Jain philosophy .
the link is
http://vspaliwalkt.instablogs.com/entry/my-musing-thats-meri-bhawana-in-jain-philosophy/
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PLEASE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS!!

Organized religion or cult is a dangerous thing.

Anyway, what will happen if people knowing truth get placed under one umbrella? What happens if people in league with the knowledge that ”2+2=4” come to live together under one banner ?Will so-called rationalists start hating them as well? I mean is it crime that people having faith in either this or that belief are placed together ?

Well, aren’t there forums that have people from scientific community under one banner and having collective faith in certain principles ? Is that’s also not some sort of cult ?


I feel what Wayne is trying to suggest that most of the humans are living a conditioned life and that’s true.

Conditioning whether in form or religious attribute or scientific attribute is ,after all, conditioning.It’s another thing that scientific conditioning has attained some sort of respect in our times and ,therefore, there are fewer people to examine the superstitions prevailing in the world of science.

It’s easy to trace a derailed person in field of religion(because of the likes of Nuya ) but there are lesser people to point out blockheads prevailing in the world of science.

Who will shatter the cult prevailing in the world of science ?
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Arvind ,thanks for trying to understand how logic see things
I am only saying what i am seeing after years of striping the more powerful influences away from my mental makeup
I know 95% of formed minds can’t hear the 5% and thats ok ,because as mortals it doesn’t matter anyway
Be well— and thanks for your comments
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Arvind, it is true most of the people are living conditioned life in their own surroundings. Being a person who has traveled in various countries, and getting along with people from different walks of life and surroundings, I can understand that very well.

None of the acts are a crime from what you have listed/asked.

To see whether a set of principles and their followers are a part of cult, you can refer to the 17 points above.

People are free to believe whatever they want, but the problem comes in when destruction and harm is advised. Jim Jones killed 900 people in a single day in Jonestown, Guyana saying they wil be saved from a world nuclear disaster.

Seventy four followers of the Order of the Solar Temple committed mass suicide and shot their children in the head because they believed their fiery ritual murder-suicides will take them to a new world on the star Sirius. The suicides were not intended to end the life but to perpetuate it and immortalize it in another plane. The founders of the cult, Luc and Joseph, in a letter delivered after their deaths, wrote that they were ”leaving this earth to find a new dimension of truth and absolution, far from the hypocrisies of this world.”

Examples abound; we can talk of the Japanese Shoko Asahara and his cult Aum Shinrikyo (Supreme Truth). The leader of this cult ordered his followers to release Sarin gas in the subways of Tokyo that resulted in the death of a dozen of people and hundreds of others were injured for life. Furthermore this cult is suspected of a series of slayings and kidnappings of anti-cult activists and of preparing to overthrow the Japanese government - all in the name of ”good karma.”

There are few more like Order of the Solar Temple, Heaven’s Gate, Charles Manson, Joseph Kony, Jim Jones, David Koresh etc.
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Nuya Bidness
Birmingham, United States
OK Arvind, read the points in this article that define a cult and tell me which ones apply to science? #3 might apply is some cases but none of the others do. That is why I asked ”HOW MANY POINTS HAVE TO APPLY BEFORE IT IS CONSIDERED A CULT?”

If only 1 has to apply, then anything and everything can be a cult. But if say, it is 5 of the 17 points apply, then that leaves out science.

I do point out the blockheads in science, I pointed out the ones who jumped on the swine flu bandwagon and the global warming alarmists, among others. Junk science is even worse than no science at all.
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@OneHumanity Please

I read the 17 points once again.

”..but the problem comes in when destruction and harm is advised.”

I agree with your observation.No doubt when harm and destruction becomes the motive and end as well,the ”cult” becomes a dangerous thing.

However, I still wish to know that group of scientists collectively working in the making of nuclear bomb,dangerous missiles and other deadly projects should be seen as a cult-one involved in making of harm and destruction- or not ?

Nuya,I will be happy if you tackle this dilemma.
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@Nuya

I have read those points.If you read between the lines,it will not be hard to understand that same points also define a scientific community though not in very strict sense.

Anyway, I am happy that you are taking note of drawbacks prevalent in the world of science with a degree of respectability !!

I have already asked what about the group of scientists that are collectively involved in dangerous projects aimed at elimination of humanity ? Aren’t they too not a part of dangerous cult?
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Nuya Bidness
Birmingham, United States
The world ”cult” means that it has a following, like devotees, worshipers, fans, disciples etc.

A few scientists working together in a lab and in secret would not qualify as a cult, no matter how much harm they are doing. If they built a temple and worshiped the bomb after it was built and they recruited others to come worship it, then it could be a cult.

Scientists are not charismatic leaders, most of them are rather dull, except my daughter of course who has a great personality lol. They really do not want to share their work too much, they are never encouraged to abandon education, career or family, and while they are often arrogant, they never believe in an ’ultimate truth’ because science is about evidence and theories that change as new evidence or technologies become available. Because of these and other reasons, it can not be classified as a cult in the strictest sense of the word.


I am still trying to get to the bottom of just how many of those characteristics are needed to constitute a bonafide cult.

People call all kinds of things a cult and say stuff like, ”This singer has a cult like following or that movie is a cult classic.”

Having a word thrown around in popular media waters down or even changes the original meaning or usage of the word. It makes it difficult to make an informed opinion. I really hate that!
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Onehumanity
The survival of all animals is in their dna and is not a consciousness but instinctive response to danger
You still didn’t answer my question that there are no choices and thats because it is out of the ability of the fewer conscious thoughts of the 95% dizzy humans done by nature to make you do the stupid things humans do to get the strongest gens
I may be standing alone but it is better than standing with the dizzy that force you to never stand in fear of following over
Don’t try standing or you might fall and hurt your formed mind
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OneHumanity Please
London, United Kingdom
Wayne, thanks for the advises throughout! I am glad you are quite away (and aware)from committing logical fallacies now.
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
A cult is the 95% humans that huddle together and fear everything including free speech
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